How Would Jesus Be?

Posted on 06/07/2015 by Rev. Benjamin R. Faust D.D.

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He is worthy, and we proclaim
The name of Jesus
is far above every other name
He is holy and we declare
His glory fills the earth
and there's rejoicing everywhere

He is mighty, and sovereign over all
He's coming for who's ready
when they hear the trumpet call
He is Jesus, the ruler over all
And every soul in worship
to the King will fall

Holy, holy is the King who reigns
The Son of God,
heaven and earth proclaims
In joy we bring to you our offering

(In spirit and - in truth we sing)
(And so to you - our lives we bring)
(As a li - ving offering)


I give you all of me
I give you all of me O Lord
I give you all of me
Come fill this place

Fill me with your Spirit Lord
So I may do your will and walk in your way
Keep me in your presence
Every moment, I pray
So I will always love you
So I will always love you


You are my life
You are my strength
You are my song, Jesus

You are my heart
You are my soul
I want the whole world to know

That you are everything to me
And for all eternity
I will sing your praises

I give you my life
I give you my strength
I give you my song, Jesus

I give you my heart
I give you my soul
For you have made me whole!

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"What Would Jesus Do?"

I'm sure you've heard that
popular question.

You have a disagreement
with someone.

What would Jesus do?

You're tempted
to steal,
or lie,
or cheat.

What would Jesus do?

Someone who
is dirty and stinks
approaches you
and tells you
he doesn't have
any food to eat.

What would Jesus do?

That question can
certainly be used
for a lot of scenarios.

Your pastor teaches
pre-trib rapture, and
you believe the rapture
is either coming
AFTER the tribulation,
or you think that
because the word
is not in the Bible,
it thus is heresy.

Should you
leave this church
and go to
another other one

What would Jesus do?

Okay, THAT one is
a little less fitting.

After all,
JESUS would know
the correct answer,
and HE would go
to the church that
has all the details
right. Right?

Well, consider this:


But let's back up a moment.

know the answer,
not REALLY or
because we are
NOT Jesus.

But since we ARE
supposed to be
"imitators" of Christ,

let's go back to the
"What would Jesus do?"

First of all,
when Jesus
corrected people,
was it about trivia?

Or was He intersted
only in the PRINCIPLE
that is BEHIND
any teaching?

As Paul wrote,
the Letter kills,
but the Spirit
brings Life.

But some people
take the chronology
of the end times
very seriously.

And churches have
split over this issue.

People have chosen
which church to attend
over this issue.

And if we look closely,
we just might
be able to
trace this back


"I" believe "THIS."

And of course,
"I" am "RIGHT."

And if "I" am "right,"
and "YOU" disagree,
then "YOU"
are "WRONG."


I'm still trying to
find a clearer picture
of what a certain
doctrinal position means,
to answer a question
as to what I believe.

And the more I look,
the more ridiculous
the materials become.

Most of the articles
or videos I've found
about the subject
thus far
sound like a description
of the mathematical
and theoretical science
behind worm hole existence
and cross-dimentional travel.

And it's hard to care,
because, quite honestly,
I don't.

I DO care about
the questioner,
but NOT about
the intricate details
of the topic.

We put so much effort
into getting the
technical details
just right,
that we tend to forget
that all mind knowledge
is passing away.

The events prophecied
in the book of Revelation
will come, and
they will go.

Jesus will return
WHEN He will return,
HOW He will return.

And when it happens,
we won't need
pre, mid, or
post-trib doctrine,
because we will
experience it
first hand.

There are many topics
we may never discuss
in any detail here,
because ultimately,
they don't really matter.

I'd rather point you
toward experiencing God
first hand, than to
give you things
to believe.

As 1st Corinthians 13:8 says,
If there is knowledge,
it will vanish away.

Let's read this together.

1 Corinthians 13:8-10 (TLS)

8 Love never ends. But if there are prophecies, they will expire; if there are languages, they will come to an end; if there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
9 For our understanding is fleeting, and our prophesies are only for a time;
10 But when that which is perfect arises, then that which is temporary passes away.

We tend to
look for a law,
a doctrine,
a mental outline,
to tell us
what we should
or should not

But WHY did Jesus
do what Jesus did?

Did He just have
will power to
obey rules?

If so, then
He wouldn't have
broken the Sabath.

He actually DIDN'T
break the Sabath,

He just kind of
violated the
written rule,
while perfectly keeping
the underlying principle.

Like us,
Jesus was not
a human "doing," but
a human "being."

And when the
is in order, the
takes care of itself.

"what would
Jesus do?"

is found by asking,
"how would
Jesus Be?"

And for just
a few minutes,
let's take a look
and see,
just how Jesus
would Be.

. . . . . . . . . . . .

Okay, you got me.

I don't know if it can
satisfactorily be put
into words.

When you simply "be,"
everything looks different.

The one all-important
explinations and beliefs
are seen as
trivial, and a little silly.

At least,
the way you were
previously so attached
and took them
so seriously,
THAT is recognized
as silly.

For, a higher intelligence
is present in that place.

Last week,
Mariposa refered to God
as "The Formless One."
And Scripture backs that up.

Deuteronomy 4:15-18 (NKJV)

15 "Take careful heed to yourselves, for you saw no form when the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire,
16 lest you act corruptly and make for yourselves a carved image in the form of any figure: the likeness of male or female,
17 the likeness of any animal that is on the earth or the likeness of any winged bird that flies in the air,
18 the likeness of anything that creeps on the ground or the likeness of any fish that is in the water beneath the earth.

We worship forms.

We have a picture
of God in our head.
Maybe as a
brightly glowing figure,
or an ancient man
with a long beard.

Or we get a
mental image
of a Bible.

which are forms,
come to mind.

God is
Jehovah Jirah,
Jehovah Nissi,
Jehovah Sidkanu,

God is
none of those.

Those are just
sign posts.

is not God.

It is just an arrow
meant to point us
to God.

And yet,
we are firmly rooted
in the world of form.

We worship a name.

We worship a concept.

We worship a book.

Because to worship
that which has no form,
would require us to
step out of the mind,

step out of concepts,
step out of doctrines,
step out of beliefs,

step out of time,
and directly encounter
the formless One,
without the veil
of the human mind.

So how would Jesus be?

He would NOT be
lost in the mind.

He would not be
identified with form.

He would not be
upset about things
which are passing away.

He would not
take so seriously
things that are
passing away.

But these are just

Like the sides
of a box.

As the mind
tries to define
how Jesus would be.

My wife and I
have been working
at a large retailer.

Most of the customers
are very nice.

But some of them...
well, AREN'T.

The mind is so stuck
in the world of form,
that it fights against
what is, and thus,
it fights against

"I don't have enough
time for this!"

"The management
doesn't care about me!"

"The company
just wants to give me
and people like me
a hard time!"

"This employee
sucks at their job,
and is making me

How would
Jesus respond?

let's ask, instead:

How would Jesus Be?

When you dwell
above the world of form,
you will clearly see
that this
"difficult person"
is just a form
the formless being
temporarily wears.

It is a product
of the mind.

It is complete fiction
that the mind believes
is absolutely real,
and matters absolutely.

And the mind
abuses itself.

"I don't have time for this!"

What does that change?

Can you remove yourself
from the situation?

Can you change it
for the better?

Or are you just
abusing yourself
for no good reason

If you are fully present,
you will see that
this person is so hostile
because the mind
that created that person
is abusing that person;

and that abuse is simply
radiating out to others,
as circumstances allow.

this is only
mildly useful
as a mental concept.

But if you dwell there,
in that no place,
in that no time,
above all thought, and
above all form,

then you will see
a being,
the breath of God,
sound asleep in a dream.

And it's not just a dream,
it's a nightmare.

But the are convinced
that it is absolutely real,
and absolutely important.

They are a dreamer
lost in an unpleasant dream.

And if you get lost
in the dream as well,
meaning that
you become unconscious
of reality, and you
believe the dream is real,

then you can take
what they say or do

Like THIS,
Jesus would not be.

Not like this,
and not like that.

Not comparable
to any other thing.

And not a "thing"

Jesus said that
He is one with
the Father.

He said He
spoke the Father's words,
and did the Father's actions.

Not the words of a book,
or the actions of a doctrine.

You see,
there was no idolatry
in Jesus.

He existed.

Abraham was,
I Am."

"Those who worship God
must worship Him
in Spirit and in Truth."

And of course Jesus said
that He IS the Truth.
So Truth is not
mental knowledge
or exalted ideas.

Truth, at its root,
is beyond form.

It might be expressed
in the world of form
through the vessel of form.

Just as God was seen
in the form of a man.

So how would Jesus Be?

In a human body,
on this spinning rock,
with a mind and language,
paying the price for your sin.

But that form,
in this place,
with those tools,
playing that role,

that is not
who He Is.

All of that is
who He Is.

And as your mind
tries to grasp all that,
you can be aware
of the mind's reaching,
accepting or rejecting.

But you are simply
observing the mind.
You are not it.
And it is not you.

And it cannot
understand God.

It cannot
understand Truth.

It, being fully form,
cannot grasp that
which is formless.

It can only be inspired
to point beyond
where it can see,

and the one for whom
it is pointing,
is not itself,
or the person
it thinks you are,

but the one for whom
it is pointing
to where it cannot see,
is the YOU
that is also
beyond form.

No teaching is sufficient
to take you there.

And if you think
the teaching is the point,
then you have
missed it already.

dwell in the light
and in the life
that permeates
the temple.

The temple is nothing
but a temporary dwelling.

The One who is
IN the temple,
is the only reason
that temple exists
in the first place.

Do you see where
these words
are pointing?

You already know
that the temple,
is your body.

What did the
apostle teach?

Your body is the temple
of the Spirit, or
the essence,
of God.

So when you dwell
in the temple,
you are dwelling
in the presence
of God.

Referring to the
element of the Spirit
Jesus promised to send,

The Spirit MIGHT be
in a church building.

The Spirit MIGHT be
in a temple.

The Spirit MIGHT be
in a gathering.

But the Spirit is
in the temple
of your body.

You can chase Him around
by going to meetings,
driving to revivals,
traveling to hear speakers,
sowing so-called faith seeds,
reading the teachings
of the early Church fathers
contained in the
New Testament...

But don't worship
any of those things.
Don't rely on them
to connect you
with God.

They are all forms.

And at best,
they can only point you
beyond themselves
to the Formless,
where they themselves
can never go,
unless they disolve.

But in the body,
in the temple,
The Holy Spirit dwells,
the Breath of God breathes,
the Life you are inhabits.

And the mind
scoffs at this.

Or condemns it.

Or dismisses it.

But the Life,
the Presence,
in the Temple,
is the doorway
to the formless.

And there,
you will find
Peace that surpasses
all understanding;

from which bubbles
Joy unspeakable
and full of glory.

You are forgiven.

You are redeemed.

While there are
battles of sorts
in the world of form,
in perfect Presence,
there is no war.

No true enemies.

No foes to defeat.

It is finished.

It is done.

And when we simply
when we BE,
in the Vine,
we will bear
good fruit.

And that means,
we will DO
what Jesus would DO,
because we will BE
how Jesus IS.